Who said they didnt really feel like playing? There are General choices...I took one that suited my lifestyle at the time. Keep ignoring the facts, you're rather good at that despite everything I/we/everyone else has said. Ftr, well said WitchyWoman.... a voice of reason

You have your 2 cents, i have my 5 cents.
Dens will not be changed or taken away, Zorg was explicit about that. Flex said it, focus on brainstorming about the turtles and raiders. You said the people that are pro dens are all from one alliance in General.
As far as i know, the 3 players that are constantly moaning about taking away dens were also in one alliance.
The difference between the 2 groups is that the pro dens group is not just the one alliance but also other players that were in generals. That says a lot.
Please focus on suggestions for raiders and turtles. I didn't play as one of those so i have nothing concrete to throw in the box.
But yes, let's just concentrate on them ....

Speaking as someone who played as a fleeter, I still don't think storage dens should be removed. Essentially what witchy said: saying get rid of storage dens is like saying get rid of preds or weaken them to the point where they are just sort of another ship out there. There's a lot about playing in a tourney that is different than playing in normal universes... in hindsight, I carried too much of my strategy from Xtreme over to generals. But, for a first time tournament player who started in an alliance with more issues than I can count on both hands, I still think I did pretty well! When you guys say storage dens are "game killing" you are really complaining about people playing the game WELL in that they have managed to optimize the capacities of their general and make themselves unprofitable. Prime example of a player who did this is Zorton: he colonized and upped his mines early, built a pred-countering fleet of battleships and RIPs with some lgs to coutner RIPs, and raided more than anyone else in the last week in order to maintain his lead. That's why he won! Kudos to all those who optimized the capacities of their chosen general as well as the dynamics of the game available to everyone and did better for it, my two teammates who stuck it out to the end among them. THAT's strategy for you.

Alright, you guys want to keep your dens then so be it, lets do what Zorg wants to do then, lets see some nifty buffs to the raider and defense generals, because all of you think that they are just under powered. So lets see some suggestions then.

also, this is what we say

Remove the den and replace it with something more strategical

This is the part you all read.

Remove the den and replace it with something more strategical

Somewhere in between den and the word and you guys seem to break down, We don't want the den removed and the miner left as it is, we want it replaced with something fair. Also, didn't some of you quit anyway why you still giving feedback lol.

OMG, yes some of us quit. Myself due to RL. So bite me lol
It doesn't mean we won't play another round. It was my first time in Generals and i underestimated the commitment needed to play it out.
It does not mean i will never play the tourny again. Just means that when i ever decide to join again, i'll know that to expect and what's expected of me.
Somewhere along the way this thread spiraled out of control and turned into a flame war.
And no alduin, it's not 2 people demanding dens be removed, it's 3 people.
3 against a whole bunch of other players

Some quit for good reasons myself cos I have eye cancer I had a op on the eye now waiting to start proton beam therapy others can have reasons that should not stop people putting their opinions in the mix

For help for raider they ship to have more rf against defenses is one way

-MrSinister- wrote:OMG, yes some of us quit. Myself due to RL. So bite me lol
It doesn't mean we won't play another round. It was my first time in Generals and i underestimated the commitment needed to play it out.
It does not mean i will never play the tourny again. Just means that when i ever decide to join again, i'll know that to expect and what's expected of me.
Somewhere along the way this thread spiraled out of control and turned into a flame war.
And no alduin, it's not 2 people demanding dens be removed, it's 3 people.
3 against a whole bunch of other players

its about 3v5 if you want to get technical, of course, these are the only people willing to talk, a lot of people have come and gone without saying anything.

You all know I was a miner and think the dens were a waste of time. I stopped building them. My best planet topped out at 70.4 mill metal, 22.5 mill crystal and16.9 mill deut daily. Think I could protect that with storage dens? Think again. I had 19 planets all at 31/27/27 minimum. Most were 32/28/28. Why would I waste the res to raise storage dens when they could not hold anywhere near what was required?